Waist Away: The Intermittent Fasting & Weight Loss Podcast

(0:00) She’s a business mogul and wellness expert. 

(0:05) How can I help? 

(0:06) And now Chantel Ray and her amazing guests are here to guide you on your 

(0:10) wellness journey. 

(0:11) Welcome to the Waste Away Podcast.

(0:20) Hi guys. 

(0:21) Welcome to today’s episode and one of my absolute favorite people is 

(0:26) Morley Robbins. 

(0:27) He’s such a hit.

(0:28) He’s been on our shows so many times because you guys have been begging him to 

(0:33) come back and you guys, 

(0:35) it seems like he’s one of your favorite guests that we’ve ever had. 

(0:39) So today we are going to be diving deep. 

(0:42) We’re going to be talking about supplements.

(0:44) Some of you are taking way too many supplements. 

(0:47) We’re going to be talking about parasites. 

(0:50) One of my favorite topics.

(0:51) We’re going to be talking about copper and just overall health. 

(0:56) And the biggest thing we’re going to talk about is if you are tired, 

(1:00) we have the cure for being tired. 

(1:04) So I’m so excited.

(1:06) Morley, welcome back to the show. 

(1:08) Well, thank you Chantel. 

(1:09) Delighted to be here as always.

(1:11) I look forward to our repartee. 

(1:14) So, okay. 

(1:16) Let me tell you one of the craziest things that 

(1:21) happened to me this past week.

(1:23) And it was, you actually mentioned it, 

(1:26) but you didn’t like go into detail about it on the show. 

(1:29) So there’s a place called Restore Cryotherapy and they have all these different 

(1:34) shots and IVs that you can get. 

(1:36) You know, 

(1:36) that’s the big rage right now is that everyone’s deficient in all these 

(1:40) minerals.

(1:41) And so they had a special on vitamin D shots. 

(1:45) And so I thought, well, you know, 

(1:47) they say everybody is low in vitamin D. 

(1:51) So I took this vitamin D shot. 

(1:53) I mean, 

(1:53) it was a really big shot of it and they gave me a lot because by the way, 

(1:58) I think they’ve said, 

(1:59) once you take that shot, 

(2:01) you’re not allowed to get another shot of vitamin D for 

(2:06) 60 days.

(2:07) That means God only knows how much vitamin D they gave me in that shot. 

(2:12) When I tell you, 

(2:13) I felt so horrible after I took that shot. 

(2:18) I got my, 

(2:19) my hands started cramping.

(2:21) My foot started cramping. 

(2:22) My legs started cramping. 

(2:24) I was just an absolute basking case.

(2:28) And all of a sudden the first person that popped into my mind, 

(2:31) because you’re the guru of all gurus. 

(2:33) I was like, 

(2:34) you know what? 

(2:35) I think I remember morally talking about this on one of my past 

(2:40) episodes. 

(2:40) And so I went back and listened to it and I was like, 

(2:43) I can’t believe I didn’t remember that he is adamant on not taking 

(2:47) all this vitamin D. 

(2:48) We should be getting it from the sunshine.

(2:50) So really talk about that because that is huge. 

(2:54) I’m telling you, 

(2:55) I got that vitamin D shot never felt worse. 

(2:58) So tell me why and why all these people were like, 

(3:02) take vitamin D, 

(3:03) but take vitamin D. 

(3:04) That’s not the answer.

(3:07) Absolutely. 

(3:07) Well, 

(3:08) first thing Mark Twain said it best when you find 

(3:12) yourself on the side of the majority, 

(3:15) it’s time to switch sides. 

(3:17) So if everyone’s telling you to take vitamin D, 

(3:20) rather than the other way, 

(3:22) and that’s just a basic rule of thumb, 

(3:23) that’s what’s guided them for 15 years now doing this work.

(3:27) But vitamin D, 

(3:30) I first learned about its downside, 

(3:34) Dean DeGault, 

(3:35) down side. 

(3:37) And it was back in 2010, 

(3:40) and I befriended a world-renowned lipid researcher, 

(3:45) his name was Fred Kummerow. 

(3:48) He was 98 years old when I met him, 

(3:52) invited me to his home for a hamburger, 

(3:55) grass-fed hamburger and home-grown tomatoes was kind of a life-changing 

(4:00) experience.

(4:01) But Dr. Kummerow had done 10 years of research, 

(4:05) proving the copper, 

(4:07) excuse me, 

(4:07) that the vitamin D supplements were very hard on our metabolism. 

(4:13) He was studying pigs, 

(4:15) he was at the University of Illinois, 

(4:19) and it was beautiful proof that vitamin D was very hard on our body. 

(4:24) And he was invited to an international symposium on the early 

(4:28) mutants, 

(4:29) asked to give a keynote, 

(4:31) basically told people, 

(4:32) you don’t supplement with vitamin D, 

(4:34) it’s giving a very hard time, 

(4:36) because of that message, 

(4:37) you know, 

(4:37) and said, 

(4:37) well, 

(4:37) Dr. Kummerow, 

(4:39) what happened as a result of that? 

(4:40) Oh, 

(4:42) I got a picture of this guy, 

(4:43) even though he’s 98, 

(4:44) he was bigger than I was, 

(4:45) and he’s very vital.

(4:48) He leans forward, 

(4:49) he says, 

(4:49) well, 

(4:49) Marlene, 

(4:51) all the others are dead. 

(4:53) I’m the only one left standing. 

(4:57) And he handed me the research that he had done, 

(5:00) you know, 

(5:01) stack of studies, 

(5:02) says, 

(5:03) do you need to rinse it? 

(5:04) He goes, 

(5:05) I did.

(5:06) And then I found all sorts of other studies that the one that really was 

(5:10) most chilling for me was by John Farris, 

(5:14) F-E-R-R-I-S. 

(5:16) He was a professor of medicine at Yale Medical School. 

(5:19) I don’t know.

(5:19) I think it’s a pretty good school. 

(5:21) And in 1962, 

(5:27) 1962, 

(5:28) that’s a long time ago folks. 

(5:30) He published an article that vitamin D supplementation 

(5:35) causes renal potassium wasting.

(5:40) So the cramping that you’re experiencing, 

(5:44) this is rushing potassium out of your tissue. 

(5:50) And nothing good comes from potassium leaving the tissue. 

(5:54) The potassium and magnesium hangs out inside the cell, 

(5:58) calcium and sodium hang out outside of the cell.

(6:02) When you have a sudden loss of potassium, 

(6:05) it’s going to really mess up the electrolytes. 

(6:08) Iron’s going to come in. 

(6:09) But it’s what, 

(6:11) probably what you were experiencing was both magnesium loss and potassium 

(6:16) loss, but personally potassium.

(6:20) And it’s typically, 

(6:22) usually when you have cramping in your hands, 

(6:26) in your feet, 

(6:27) or twitching in your arm, 

(6:30) it’s pretty well known that you’ve got a magnesium deficiency. 

(6:34) If you have cramping in your legs, 

(6:36) it’s usually a lack of potassium. 

(6:39) So if people are experiencing these foot, 

(6:42) excuse me, leg cramps, 

(6:43) that’s probably what it is.

(6:45) And we recommend adrenal cocktails as part of the 

(6:50) root cause protocol. 

(6:52) Okay, wait, say that, 

(6:54) say that again. 

(6:54) So you said what kind of cocktails are you recommending? 

(6:58) It’s called the adrenal cocktail.

(7:01) And just the classic adrenal cocktail is 

(7:06) fresh squeezed orange juice, 

(7:08) which has whole food vitamin C. 

(7:11) And you put, 

(7:13) it’s like four ounces of fresh squeezing juice, 

(7:16) but I don’t know, 

(7:17) a quarter teaspoon of sea salt, 

(7:19) quarter teaspoon of, 

(7:20) you know, 

(7:21) cream of tartar or potassium chloride or potassium bicarbonate. 

(7:26) Those are all different sources of potassium. 

(7:30) And drink it.

(7:32) And we typically recommend that 

(7:33) on mid-morning and mid-afternoon because that’s where the 

(7:37) adrenals are the most tuckered out, 

(7:39) around 10 o’clock and 2 o’clock, 

(7:41) 2 to 3 o’clock. 

(7:44) So that will nurture and feed the adrenals that need to keep 

(7:51) track of what’s going on from an electrolyte standpoint. 

(7:55) And what really regulates the adrenals is the balance between 

(7:59) magnesium and sodium.

(8:03) When we have a lot of stress in our body, 

(8:07) it burns through the sodium and then we’ve got weaker adrenal 

(8:10) functions. 

(8:12) So the adrenal cocktail is just an easy way to boost that. 

(8:17) Oh my gosh.

(8:18) So let me repeat back what I heard you say. 

(8:21) Yes. 

(8:21) So renal potassium wasting can be caused by oral vitamin D3.

(8:29) And the reason why this is bad is potassium is one of the 

(8:33) main ways, well one, I know that potassium is one of the main 

(8:38) ways sunlight is kind of polarized into your cell. 

(8:42) And also you taking all the, people are gobbling down these 

(8:48) versions of D3 because everyone’s like, everyone’s low 

(8:51) in D3, everyone’s low in D3. 

(8:53) So they’re gobbling that down.

(8:56) And by them taking that, it’s getting rid of their potassium, 

(9:02) which the potassium and magnesium levels, it’s not just having 

(9:08) enough magnesium and it’s not just having enough potassium. 

(9:11) It’s also that the levels of those have to be balanced. 

(9:15) Cause if that’s not balanced and, and because one of the 

(9:18) things that, you know, I’ve heard people say is that they 

(9:22) take magnesium because everyone says, oh, if you’ve got leg 

(9:26) cramps, you need magnesium and then they take magnesium and 

(9:29) then their leg cramps get worse.

(9:31) But what you just said, it’s like, ding, ding, ding. 

(9:33) No, it’s that your potassium has to be increased because that 

(9:39) magnesium and potassium has to be balanced. 

(9:42) So you’re, what you’re doing by taking magnesium is you are 

(9:47) getting those levels not balanced.

(9:50) Am I right when I say that? 

(9:52) Yes. 

(9:52) And what’s happening is when you take, again, if you follow 

(9:58) the adage, take magnesium, if you have a leg cramp, magnesium 

(10:04) is going to push down on sodium and then sodium is going to 

(10:07) get out of whack with potassium. 

(10:10) And there’s not a lot of minerals that we need to worry 

(10:13) about, but we need to worry about the electrolytes, magnesium, 

(10:18) potassium, calcium, fluorine, things like that.

(10:23) We also need to worry about complement. 

(10:25) So it’s not like we have to worry about a hundred minerals. 

(10:27) Maybe it’s a half a dozen, but the most important are the 

(10:30) electrolytes, but the ones that are easily lost to stress, we’ve 

(10:35) talked about this several times, that the minerals that are lost 

(10:39) to stress are typically magnesium and copper.

(10:45) Now in a situation like this, when you’re taking high doses of 

(10:48) vitamin D, that becomes a stressor and it’s going to affect 

(10:54) potassium, a la Dr. 

(10:56) Ferris, and nobody’s talking about that. 

(10:59) Nobody knows what this is doing to destabilize our mineral status. 

(11:06) And the other side of it is vitamin D, it was a storage 

(11:13) form that you were given.

(11:15) Well, at some point the body’s going to want to convert that 

(11:18) into an active form. 

(11:20) Well, that requires magnesium. 

(11:22) So then you’ve just taken this bolus of storage D, and you’re 

(11:27) going to need to activate an enzyme that requires magnesium.

(11:31) And it’s just going to, the downstream effects are going to 

(11:36) do betting and buried, and it’s just not worth it. 

(11:39) And the mantra that everyone’s by everything but fishing is a 

(11:45) misnomer. 

(11:48) We know that that what a lot of people don’t know is that much 

(11:55) of the research, almost the majority of the research done on 

(11:58) vitamin D is research of correlation, not causation.

(12:05) So what they’ve done is they’ve said, well, you have such and 

(12:08) such condition and your vitamin D is low, what must be the 

(12:12) vitamin D that’s causing the condition? 

(12:14) That’s a correlation study. 

(12:16) Do flies cause garbage? 

(12:18) No. 

(12:19) Do firewood cause fires? 

(12:21) No.

(12:22) But they’re correlating, right? 

(12:24) Flies always seem to be around garbage and firewood always seem 

(12:27) to be around fire. 

(12:28) But that doesn’t mean the fly caused the problem, or is it the 

(12:31) firewood caused it? 

(12:33) But nor does it mean that vitamin D being low is causing 

(12:37) this condition. 

(12:39) It turns out that most conditions that people have, have 

(12:43) some level of inflammation.

(12:48) And when there is inflammation, magnesium loss is going to be 

(12:52) greater. 

(12:54) And when magnesium loss is greater, the ability to make 

(12:57) vitamin D is weakened. 

(12:59) And so vitamin D will be lower, but it isn’t that the vitamin 

(13:03) D being lower causes the problem, it’s just correlating.

(13:08) And so that’s where the real confusion is. 

(13:10) And then it was amplifying on steroids during COVID. 

(13:15) And so taking vitamin D was going to solve the COVID problem.

(13:20) And it didn’t, it was just being positioned as the, you know, the 

(13:26) savior. 

(13:27) And there’s, it was very, very convoluted and complicated than 

(13:30) you should imagine. 

(13:32) So I heard a doctor tell me that he had seen a patient and he was 

(13:38) taking so much vitamin D because he kept hearing all this stuff 

(13:42) that you should take vitamin D, vitamin D. 

(13:44) He took so much vitamin D and he had an excessive amount of 

(13:47) calcium in his blood that actually led to kidney damage.

(13:52) So talk about that just a little bit. 

(13:55) Well, every, every hormone has a job and a location to do that 

(14:02) job. 

(14:04) Vitamin D, vitamin D’s principle job is to increase calcium in 

(14:10) the blood at the expense of magnesium.

(14:15) And this is principally taking place in the liver and the kidney. 

(14:22) And so vitamin D is not a vitamin, it’s a hormone. 

(14:28) It’s a very powerful hormone, one of the most powerful 

(14:31) hormones in the body.

(14:32) Well, vitamin A, its partner, metabolic partner, also has hormone 

(14:38) forms. 

(14:40) The retinoic acids are all hormones. 

(14:43) There’s four more.

(14:46) And what people don’t realize is when they focus on the vitamin D, 

(14:51) it’s at the expense of vitamin A. 

(14:53) And that’s, there’s no vitamin A uptake in a body that’s consuming 

(14:56) excess vitamin D. 

(14:59) And again, within the root cause protocol, what we’re really 

(15:05) focusing on, what we’re really concentrating on is making more 

(15:11) bioavailable copper. 

(15:13) Well, to make copper bioavailable, we got to fire up 

(15:17) some pumps to put copper into key enzymes. 

(15:21) Well, the mechanism to activate those pumps requires retinol, not 

(15:27) vitamin D, retinol, edible benched vitamin A. 

(15:31) And so we just take a very simple stance.

(15:36) If you’re worried about your vitamin D, take cosmoform. 

(15:41) It has both vitamin A and vitamin D in the right proportions. 

(15:46) Mother Nature knows what she’s doing.

(15:48) And just relax and don’t overstate the requirements. 

(15:54) Again, these ancestral foods that our predecessors consumed were 

(16:01) beautifully designed and they will solve the metabolic problems 

(16:06) that we’re facing even today. 

(16:09) So just encourage people to really step away from the conventional 

(16:14) drowning by vitamin D. 

(16:17) I want you to talk about the ratio of vitamin A to vitamin D of what 

(16:23) you recommend for that.

(16:27) Well, great question. 

(16:29) On the intake side, what you’ll find is that most forms of cod 

(16:34) are wrong. 

(16:35) Certainly the Atlantic cod and related cod has a ratio of 10 

(16:41) parts vitamin A to one part vitamin D. 

(16:45) There’s another form, Alaskan cod, that has actually a 20 to 1 

(16:49) ratio of vitamin D. 

(16:53) I guess the water must be that much colder in Alaska than the 

(16:58) Atlantic.

(16:59) I don’t know why there would be such a striking difference. 

(17:02) But historically, our ancestors used the 10 to 1 ratio and had 

(17:09) very good results. 

(17:11) What I’ve noticed in the consulting work that I do, the 

(17:21) ratio will appear differently in the blood work.

(17:24) Now, what people need to understand is I’m from Baltimore. 

(17:30) My nickname is Baltimorely. 

(17:32) I worship at the Altar of Hopkins, three smart people 

(17:35) there, and a very noted intern named Mohamed Aymer was just 

(17:40) starting in 2014, looking at what’s the right level of storage 

(17:45) D versus all-cause mortality.

(17:49) It’s a very big study. 

(17:50) Of course, it’s all pre-COVID, but this was back when things 

(17:54) were a little bit more sane, and what he found was that there 

(17:58) was no clinical benefit having your storage D above 21 

(18:04) nanograms per deciliter. 

(18:07) Now, to work on a lab report, the lab rate starts at 30 and 

(18:11) goes up to 100.

(18:13) That’s insanity on steroids. 

(18:16) There’s no clinical benefit above 21. 

(18:20) What I found to be sort of the sweet spot for retinol in a 

(18:23) blood test, looking at like retinol and lisinol, is 65.

(18:30) So what’s the ratio? 

(18:32) It’s three to one. 

(18:33) Three parts retinol to one part vitamin D, and when my clients 

(18:39) get to that three-to-one ratio, they just seem to be coming. 

(18:43) They feel better, and when it’s not that ratio, especially when 

(18:50) it’s like a one-to-one or it’s an inverted ratio where there’s 

(18:54) less retinol than vitamin D, they got all sorts of symptoms.

(18:59) So these fat-soluble vitamins are very important, but they’re 

(19:03) also very powerful, and people need to step away from the 

(19:08) conventional narrative and just get back to the basics. 

(19:13) It’s really, it’s surprisingly simple how quickly the body 

(19:18) responds to basic nutrient support that our ancestors 

(19:22) would like to know. 

(19:25) Did you guys know that 97% of Americans are deficient in 

(19:30) at least one mineral? 

(19:31) It’s true.

(19:32) You need more than a dozen minerals for your body to 

(19:36) function in its best, but with the standard American diet, 

(19:40) it’s almost impossible. 

(19:42) So here’s where B minerals comes in. 

(19:45) Guess what? 

(19:46) All you have to do, take one little shot of this one, one 

(19:50) little shot of this one, and guess what? 

(19:52) It looks like this, but it tastes like water.

(19:57) Take one shot and boom, in 30 seconds a day, you’re getting 

(20:02) an entire thing of minerals instead of an entire cabinet 

(20:07) of supplement bottles. 

(20:09) So with B minerals, we make mineral balance simple. 

(20:16) So one of the things that I want people to understand is I have 

(20:21) for years gone to the doctor and every time the doctor says, 

(20:26) Hey, your iron’s low.

(20:27) Hey, your ferritin’s low every single time. 

(20:31) And I’ve tried everything to the point where the doctor actually 

(20:35) recommended to me, he said, Chantel, your iron and ferritin 

(20:38) are so low. 

(20:40) We have to have you go get an iron transfusion, gave me a 

(20:43) prescription for it, or like a ticket or whatever to go get 

(20:48) that done.

(20:49) And I ended up having you on the podcast and then you had told 

(20:53) me, I want you to try adding copper to your diet. 

(20:56) I started taking copper and my ferritin levels. 

(21:01) The only thing that’s worked by the way, because I, before that 

(21:04) I was trying iron supplements, iron supplements, which all that 

(21:07) did was make me even more constipated, which made me feel 

(21:10) worse and I felt horrible.

(21:12) And so it was just awful. 

(21:15) But anyway, so you literally, I owe you so much because you 

(21:19) giving me that advice, I started adding copper into my diet and 

(21:24) then my, finally my ferritin levels have gone up. 

(21:27) So I want you to kind of talk about what, for people who don’t 

(21:33) really understand ferritin and ferritin in the body and the 

(21:36) reason why ferritin and copper work together so well and kind 

(21:43) of explain about serum ferritin and kind of what’s happening 

(21:48) in your cells.

(21:52) Uh, how much time do we have? 

(21:54) We’ll do a quick short version. 

(21:56) Yeah. 

(21:56) You want to make it, make it for people who are just, you know, 

(22:00) cause a lot of our listeners, like they are not doctors, you 

(22:06) know, looking at people who like make it as simple to understand 

(22:09) as possible the way you used, you explained it to me.

(22:13) Sure. 

(22:14) So there are three containers for iron in the body. 

(22:18) It’s important to start with the fundamentals.

(22:22) So the, the concentration of iron, the greatest concentration 

(22:25) of iron is in our hemoglobin at 70% of our iron and myoglobin 

(22:31) it’s only like 10%. 

(22:33) So I call it the bucket of iron, now big a bucket is, right? 

(22:37) And so myoglobin, hemoglobin, they’re waders carrying oxygen. 

(22:41) That’s where 80% of our iron is really, really important.

(22:47) Big bucket of iron. 

(22:49) Then we have a teacup. 

(22:52) Everybody knows what a teacup is, tiny.

(22:55) And that’s about 10% of the iron is in ferritin, which is an iron 

(23:00) storage protein, it’s only 10% of the iron. 

(23:05) Here’s the most important part. 

(23:07) Ferritin is supposed to be inside the cell.

(23:10) It’s not supposed to be showing up in the blood clumps. 

(23:12) Well, then we come back to them. 

(23:15) Then the third container is a thimble.

(23:18) I’m not sure many people know what thimbles are anymore. 

(23:20) It’s a little tiny, it’s actually a cover for your finger when you’re 

(23:24) sewing, right? 

(23:25) And it’s a little tiny, little vessel and it’s holding 1% of the iron. 

(23:33) It’s called serum iron.

(23:35) It might be called total iron. 

(23:37) It might be just called iron, but it’s the iron that’s found in the 

(23:42) serum, which is the fluid that carries the red blood cells. 

(23:48) So there’s actually iron in that fluid in addition to the iron in the red blood cell.

(23:53) And so it’s a very tiny percent. 

(23:56) So it’s really tiny, but you need to know all three. 

(24:00) You need to know hemoglobin, ferritin, and serum iron.

(24:05) And there’s an unhealthy emphasis on ferritin now. 

(24:12) It was never really studied until 1972. 

(24:17) And what the iron biologists and hematologists at the elite level all 

(24:24) agree on is that there’s no iron in the ferritin in their blood.

(24:30) They are empty shotgun shells. 

(24:33) People find that hard to believe. 

(24:35) Why is my doctor, you know, focusing on it? 

(24:38) Because the doctor is doing what they were trained to do.

(24:41) And this is not me making up stuff. 

(24:42) These are some of the preeminent iron biologists and hematologists like, oh, 

(24:49) those young Woodward, just some of them, Dr. 

(24:53) Kell, Douglas Kell. 

(24:54) These are some very big names in the field.

(24:57) The point is there’s a lot of confusion about ferritin. 

(25:04) I’ve actually renamed it. 

(25:06) I call it irritin, because there’s so many mistakes in interpreting it.

(25:11) And so it’s the bookends of ferritin, meaning it’s a product. 

(25:15) Too high, too low. 

(25:17) Too high is really easy.

(25:20) You know that there is an inflammatory process, typically in the liver. 

(25:26) And what’s happening is the iron is not being recycled properly in the 

(25:30) liver where it needs to be. 

(25:34) And the iron is being dumped into what’s called the lysosome of the cell.

(25:40) That’s the stomach of the cell. 

(25:43) Amino acids are being cleaved off of the ferritin protein and it’s being 

(25:48) secreted into the bloodstream. 

(25:50) And when it starts to show up in greater numbers inside the ferritin, you know 

(25:56) you have a significant inflammatory problem.

(26:00) It can go into the thousands. 

(26:03) And doctors typically don’t get exercise until ferritin is over 2 or 3,000. 

(26:10) Well, by then it’s almost too little.

(26:13) And of the thresholds of iron sleeping 20 to 30, it’s a fairly high reference. 

(26:22) And where the confusion is, is when it gets below 20. 

(26:26) That’s when the wheels come off the bus.

(26:28) And that’s when practitioners say, oh, you’re going to end up in the 

(26:34) middle of iron changing, thinking that the iron is going to get into the 

(26:40) storage container, but in fact, what happens to iron like that, especially 

(26:47) ginseng, iodine, it goes straight into the spleen and the liver and gets stuck there. 

(26:54) It doesn’t show up in ferritin. 

(26:57) But what I’ve come to realize is that many of the people who have low 

(27:03) ferritin typically have parasites.

(27:09) And for some reason, the spleen is not clearing the parasites. 

(27:16) For some reason, the spleen is not properly recycling the iron the way it’s 

(27:21) supposed to, and then what’s actually happening is because the parasites are 

(27:27) building, there’s another chemical, there’s another protein that’s made in 

(27:32) the body, it’s actually another hormone, it’s called hepsidin, and hepsidin will 

(27:38) rise in the face of low ferritin. 

(27:43) Hepsidin is rising because there’s a pathogen.

(27:47) Here’s the kicker. 

(27:49) Doctors don’t measure hepsidin, so they’re out of sight and out of mind. 

(27:54) I don’t know what your hepsidin or your ferritin slope, I don’t know what’s your 

(27:57) hepsidin.

If they would do the hepsidin, we’d see that it’s high, and that’s what’s 

(28:02) causing this imbalance because there’s a pathogen that’s not being cleared properly 

(28:08) in the spleen, causing the hepsidin to rise, causing ferritin to go low, and then 

(28:13) it looks like there’s an iron storage deficiency, where in fact, it’s an iron 

(28:19) dysregulation taking place, and that’s really what I stress with people is don’t 

(28:26) confuse the term iron deficiency with iron dysregulation, and just because the 

(28:35) iron looks low on the blood test, don’t assume that it’s low in your tissue. 

(28:44) Invariably, it’s not, and this is the work of Bruce Ames, well-known scientist at 

(28:50) UCL, but UCL at, excuse me, UC Bedford, and he did a major study in 2004 where he 

(28:58) was able to prove that there’s 10 times more iron in the tissue than what shows up 

(29:04) in the bloodwork, and that’s where the confusion is. 

(29:10) Practitioners are not drawing a distinction between the iron in the blood 

(29:15) or the iron in the tissue, and they’re not doing needle biopsies of the liver.

(29:22) They’re not doing MRIs of the liver to see what is the tissue concentration of 

(29:28) iron, and you cannot assess tissue level of iron with a blood test.

(29:34) There’s no marker there. 

(29:37) It will end when approximates what’s happening at the tissue level.

(29:41) Did you guys know that your thyroid’s main food is iodine, and guess what? 

(29:46) Mercury and other toxins gobble up your selenium, and your thyroid glands need 

(29:53) selenium to convert iodine to thyroxine, so if you have mercury fillings and with 

(29:59) all the toxins and mold, your selenium just gets gobbled up, so here’s the 

(30:05) bottom line. 

(30:05) I take something called heat thyroid. 

(30:08) It’s got iodine.

(30:10) It’s got copper, and it’s got selenium, everything you need to get your thyroid 

(30:14) back to functioning without medicine, so go to chantalrayway.com 

(30:20) slash upgraded formulas. 

(30:21) Use the coupon code chantalray to get a huge discount, so I’m going to ask a 

(30:28) listener. 

(30:29) I’m going to answer a listener question, actually.

(30:31) I’d like you to, so this is actually from Stephanie Wilkins in San Jose, California. 

(30:37) She says, one of my favorite guests that you’ve ever had on the show is a guy 

(30:41) named Morley Robbins, but sometimes he talks a little over my head. 

(30:46) I love how you help him simplify.

(30:49) It’s just a little too smart for his own good. 

(30:53) Sometimes he talks like a scientist, and I can’t totally understand him. 

(30:59) I would like you to ask him if he ever comes back on the show about parasites.

(31:04) My aunt is a gastrointestinal doctor, and she says if you live in the US, you don’t 

(31:11) have parasites, and she did a stool test on me and told me that I don’t have it. 

(31:16) I have every symptom of having parasites, and I’ve heard you say on your podcast 

(31:22) that most conventional stool tests that doctors do, 99.999% of the time, they don’t 

(31:27) find anything. 

(31:29) Also, I’ve heard you say about your iron is low, and my iron is always low, and I’m 

(31:34) sure it’s because of a parasite.

(31:36) It’s eating all my iron. 

(31:38) My iron wouldn’t just randomly be low, and I’m not going to read the rest of it 

(31:41) because it’s really long, but you get the gist of what she’s saying, so I want you 

(31:47) to break it down for her. 

(31:48) Right, and I’ll explain it.

(31:50) I’m not trying to lose people. 

(31:51) I’m trying to let people know there’s moving parts, and I want to make sure that people 

(31:56) know that I know what I’m talking about. 

(31:58) If I don’t convey it properly, she’s doing exactly what you need to do, salt me in the 

(32:03) nose and say, dumb it down, buddy.

(32:06) So I’m happy to do that. 

(32:10) That gastroenterologist is absolutely not telling the truth. 

(32:14) She’s telling what she was trained, and there’s a much simpler explanation.

(32:20) There’s a world-renowned animal farmer. 

(32:26) Her name is Pat Colby, C-O-L-E-B-Y. 

(32:31) She’s no longer with us.

(32:32) She died a few years ago, and she wrote a series of books on animal fun, natural goat 

(32:39) care, cattle care, sheep care, and horse care. 

(32:44) Four of the most important books I ever read about human metabolism. 

(32:52) And what she talked about in each of those four books is that any animal, folks, we’re 

(32:58) all animals.

(33:00) Sometimes we act that way too, right? 

(33:02) But any animal who is copper distribution will have parasites. 

(33:09) Any animal with parasites is copper. 

(33:14) Now, let me drive home this point.

(33:17) There’s a famous study done by one of my all-time favorite researchers. 

(33:22) His name is Leslie Klobag. 

(33:24) He’s now 90 years old, still publishing, but he wrote a very important article in October 

(33:32) of 2022 on the chronic copper deficiency plaguing humanity.

(33:42) And again, the mantra that runs medicine is your anemic, the copper toxin, that is a lie. 

(33:53) It’s just the opposite. 

(33:55) We have very little copper in our diet.

(33:58) There’s very little copper in the soil now. 

(34:01) And as a result, because copper is low, my air goes high. 

(34:05) We’re in the tissue.

(34:08) We’re not going to show up in the blood because the blood levels of iron are based on iron 

(34:15) recycling. 

(34:17) Iron recycling is ruined by copper. 

(34:20) So where do the parasites hang out? 

(34:26) In the skin, in the liver, in other tissue besides the gut.

(34:33) And I don’t know why they won’t show up in a stool test. 

(34:37) They often don’t. 

(34:39) But if you don’t know about liver flukes, that’s a very unsettling thing to read about 

(34:46) or read about what can get into the spleen or the gallbladder or other parts of your 

(34:52) anatomy.

(34:54) And that’s where they’re residing. 

(34:56) And they feed on iron and they disrupt copper metabolism. 

(35:02) And what Pat Colgrey speaks about is how clearly they respond or they are adenaline-like 

(35:10) copper.

(35:11) Copper is the original antimicrobial element on the planet. 

(35:17) It was being used by Mother Nature for eons before silver came on the scene. 

(35:24) You got to understand that copper has been niched into the corner because of its amazing 

(35:31) properties.

(35:32) But the gastroenterologist is wrong. 

(35:35) Parasites do reside all over the planet, not just in certain third world countries. 

(35:42) You’re probably going to get exposed to more pathogens if you travel outside of the U.S. 

(35:48) But don’t think that you won’t get parasites by residing in the continental U.S. 

(35:54) And it is a copper deficiency dynamic.

(36:00) And people respond beautifully to the protocol to clear these pathogens. 

(36:08) It’s just a central part of the focus of the RCT. 

(36:15) So one of the things in your book you talk about, you say, cure your fatigue, how balancing 

(36:21) three minerals and one protein is the solution that you’re looking for.

(36:27) What are those three minerals that you’re talking about and the one protein? 

(36:32) Explain that in an easy way. 

(36:35) Yeah. 

(36:36) We’ve touched on, or actually we’ve discussed all three of the antimicrobial minerals, but 

(36:42) it’s copper, anion, and magnesium, or just in English.

(36:49) And the protein is the copper protein called ceruloplasmin, which is what gives copper 

(36:57) its bioavailability. 

(36:59) Now, piecing it all together, when I cut my teeth on this work, I focused on magnesium. 

(37:07) My worm was magnesium deficient.

(37:09) See, they were magnesium. 

(37:11) And one practitioner pulled them aside and said, well, if it was that simple, we would 

(37:16) have figured it out. 

(37:17) And in my arrogance, my ignorance back then, I said we’d arranged it the way I did.

(37:23) Well, he was right and I was wrong. 

(37:24) I kept chipping away at it, learned about iron, learned about oxygen, learned that iron 

(37:32) creates what’s called oxidative stress, like it’s primed up in oxidative stress. 

(37:37) Magnesium, it’s lost very quickly.

(37:40) Any time you were under stress, you got a deboring, you had a bad meal, had a fight 

(37:44) with somebody, had a car accident, any kind of stress. 

(37:47) There’s thousands of different stressors, right? 

(37:50) There’s the first element to go into the toilet is magnesium, briefly followed by the 

(37:57) B vitamins. 

(37:58) Magnesium and B vitamins, how quickly those are water soluble, they go right into the 

(38:03) urine and go right into the toilet.

(38:06) So I was fascinated by that. 

(38:09) And then I discovered copper. 

(38:12) Well, I learned about it.

(38:13) I shouldn’t say I discovered it. 

(38:14) And then your friend there, he’s getting too big for his bitches. 

(38:21) No, I didn’t discover it, but I learned about it.

(38:23) And it’s absolutely humbling because the beauty of copper is it’s the only element 

(38:29) on the planet that can keep iron and oxygen under regulation without static. 

(38:38) It’s a really big deal. 

(38:40) The river of planet was 21% oxygen in the year.

(38:46) Oaks, it’s a poison. 

(38:48) We can’t live without it, but we can’t age without it either. 

(38:52) And there’s a very powerful relationship between the iron and oxygen.

(38:57) You know, the iron’s carrying it, right? 

(38:59) But iron interacts with it, and it creates rust, right? 

(39:03) It’s really rusting the outside, nasty body. 

(39:06) What’s creating rust on the inside? 

(39:08) It’s called plaque. 

(39:10) It’s called oxidative stress.

(39:13) That oxidative stress is a fancy phrase for rust. 

(39:19) And what keeps it all in check is biochemical copper. 

(39:25) The protein, siluloplasmin, it’s the master antioxidant in our body.

(39:35) We always say, oh, I thought glutathione was the master antioxidant. 

(39:38) Glutathione is the master antioxidant in the cell. 

(39:42) Gelatine is the master antioxidant in the mitochondrion.

(39:47) The siluloplasmin is the master antioxidant in our body. 

(39:52) And it’s what enables us to run very cheap functions in the body, 

(40:02) but it’s what keeps oxidative stress in check. 

(40:06) We’re always going to have oxidative stress in our body.

(40:09) Just like when we’re driving our car, assuming we’re driving cars that have engines. 

(40:17) But when we’re driving our car, there’s always exhaust being given off. 

(40:22) It’s when the exhaust becomes billowy black smoke, then we know we’ve got a problem.

(40:27) Well, the oxidative stress, that phrase means that the level of oxidants, 

(40:36) the level of reactive oxygen species has increased to the point where it’s stressing 

(40:43) the antioxidant capacity in the body. 

(40:46) And that means that siluloplasmin and the failing of the antioxidant enzymes 

(40:53) are overly wound by the amount of oxidative stress. 

(40:57) And so that’s why the protocol focuses on 

(41:03) key nutrients, and especially copper, to restore the adenine to activate oxygen, 

(41:12) to release energy so that we can run on it.

(41:17) So your liver normally takes copper from your bloodstream and puts it into 

(41:28) seruloplasm proteins, and then the seruloplasm is released into the blood plasma, 

(41:35) and then the seruloplasmin carries the copper into the tissues? 

(41:42) I’m just trying to kind of make it so that we can understand it, 

(41:47) because that portion of it, explain that. 

(41:49) Did I explain that correctly? 

(41:52) You did a very good job. 

(41:53) You did a better job than most doctors would, so I commend you for that.

(41:59) The part that’s really hard to comprehend, there’s three or four articles I’ve found 

(42:06) over the years, I’m not sure I’ve read thousands, but three or four that really 

(42:09) stood out in terms of the explanation of what this protein, this copper protein does. 

(42:16) It has many different enzyme functions. 

(42:20) So the way my friend Ben Edwards, who’s a physician down in Lubbock, Texas, 

(42:26) described it, it’s like a Swiss Army knife.

(42:29) And you know how many different functions a Swiss Army knife has? 

(42:32) Thousands and dozens. 

(42:34) Well, that’s seruloplasm. 

(42:36) It can do many different functions.

(42:39) But one of its most important functions is to transport copper around the body, 

(42:47) to the tissue, especially to a mitochondria. 

(42:53) Mitochondria live on copper. 

(42:56) Every mitochondria, there’s 40 quadrillion in our body, 

(43:01) but every mitochondria has a little blue swimming pool inside it.

(43:05) It’s called the matrix. 

(43:07) And it’s blue for a reason, because it has copper in it. 

(43:12) And so mitochondria need to be supported and supplied with copper regularly.

(43:21) And that’s one of the most important jobs on seruloplasm. 

(43:24) What’s interesting is that in the mid-’70s, Earl Frieden, famous ion biologist at 

(43:33) Florida State University, theorized that that’s what one of his principal jobs was. 

(43:38) And he got smacked for that theory.

(43:42) And in more recent era, 2017, Zach Baker, and then in 2021, Paul Cobine said, 

(43:51) no, actually, Dr. Frieden was right back in the 70s. 

(43:54) That’s exactly one of its most important jobs. 

(43:57) And it’s just not taught anymore.

(44:00) And so it isn’t just taking the mineral. 

(44:06) You’ve got to be thinking about, is it making the enzymes that it needs to make? 

(44:11) That’s really why I try to distinguish myself from other clients who talk about copper, 

(44:19) because I really focus on enzymes, especially really important. 

(44:25) I focus on what those copper enzymes do to neutralize iron and oxygen.

(44:32) Very often, they don’t even talk about the iron problem or the oxygen problem. 

(44:37) And then the part that I think is especially important for people to understand 

(44:42) is that there’s some positions about, well, you’ve got to take more zinc, 

(44:47) you’ve got to take more retinol, blah, blah. 

(44:49) Or don’t take retinol, but you’ve got to take more zinc.

(44:51) Well, that flies in the face of the research that I’ve done. 

(44:55) And I find it alarming that people don’t know about the importance of 

(45:02) retinol to activate the copper pumps. 

(45:06) Not my idea.

(45:07) Cousins and Barber, 1987. 

(45:10) It’s a very important article to know about. 

(45:13) And it’s well accessed on the internet.

(45:16) And then it requires retinol to do that. 

(45:20) And then there are so many reasons why excess zinc will shut down copper in the capsule. 

(45:27) It’s hard to find the time to talk about it.

(45:32) But the point is, I don’t just talk about the mineral. 

(45:36) I talk about the enzymes. 

(45:38) I talk about the most important properties that they mention.

(45:41) And I talk about within the RCP, why these key nutrients are so important to understand. 

(45:49) So hopefully that answers your question. 

(45:51) Yes.

(45:52) So one of the things I want you to answer is like, 

(45:55) if someone says, you know, all of the things that they say causes 

(46:03) parasites, you know, fatigue, stomach issues. 

(46:05) I mean, there’s just so many things of parasites. 

(46:09) What would you say if you were going to, obviously, we’d want to supplement with copper? 

(46:17) That would be number one to get rid of the parasites.

(46:21) What else would you do to explain to someone? 

(46:24) If you want to get rid of parasites and do a parasite cleanse, because 

(46:28) I know that I’ve done a few parasite cleanses and they were so detoxifying that, you know, 

(46:37) it almost is like that Herxheimer reaction where you just feel so miserable and then you can’t do 

(46:43) anything. 

(46:44) So if someone was like, I know for a fact I have 

(46:50) parasites, what would your recommendation be? 

(46:53) Do A, B, and C. 

(46:54) What would that look like? 

(46:56) Well, we all have parasites. 

(46:58) If they’re part of our physiology, it doesn’t matter where you were, you got them.

(47:03) Right. 

(47:03) When they play a role in the body, again, it’s when they get out of control. 

(47:08) That’s right.

(47:11) So we also, we are taught to fear pathogens. 

(47:16) They’re there for a reason. 

(47:18) So we have to accept that.

(47:20) So if you’ve got them, you suspect you have them, you can confirm that you’ve got them. 

(47:25) We don’t recommend detoxes in the glucose protocol. 

(47:29) They’re too harsh.

(47:31) Every detox protocol that I know of requires energy to support it. 

(47:39) Most people don’t have enough energy to get through the day before they get to the detox. 

(47:44) And then they’re going to add insulting with a detox.

(47:49) The fact of the matter is there is a blueprint that runs our body. 

(47:54) Get it? 

(47:55) Blueprint, like the blue pool in the matrix. 

(47:59) Look, anything blue inside the body is a good guy.

(48:03) Well, the blueprint runs our energy. 

(48:06) And so what we really focus on in the glucose protocol is cure your fatigue, create more 

(48:15) energy. 

(48:16) And when the body and the blueprint has energy, it knows exactly what to do to clear these 

(48:24) pathogens.

(48:26) And the problem we’ve got is that you and I are engaged in a very switched on conversation. 

(48:34) And we’re exchanging information about 2,000 bits per second, which is pretty fast. 

(48:40) We’re clipping along, right? 

(48:42) There’s a part of our brain that runs our bodies called the hypothalamus.

(48:50) And it thinks two million times faster than you and I can talk. 

(48:56) And I think it’s the height of insanity for us to think that we can outthink the hypothalamus. 

(49:03) What does the hypothalamus want? 

(49:05) It wants minerals and energy.

(49:07) Give it the nutrients and the substrates that it needs, and it will solve the problem. 

(49:14) That’s the whole basis of the protocol is stop attacking the guest. 

(49:23) Strengthen the host.

(49:26) Ignore the enemies. 

(49:28) Ignite the energy. 

(49:30) It’s a completely different paradigm feeling.

(49:33) And so if you suspect you have these pathogens, 

(49:38) there’s a Blue Cross protocol. 

(49:40) And what you’re probably needing to do in addition, it’s part of the protocol, 

(49:45) but people tend to overwork it. 

(49:48) You’ve got to do blood donations regularly to lower your iron footprint.

(49:55) And you need to delve your fears. 

(49:58) We spell fear differently, spelled S-E-P-I-T-H-E-N-A-R.

(50:03) And then the word has a different meaning.

(50:06) Because you can see the symbol for iron. 

(50:09) So then it means iron attracts rust. 

(50:14) And when you don’t feel right, and it’s been going on for a while, 

(50:19) you begin to get fearful.

(50:21) And when we get fearful, we become a magnet for iron. 

(50:25) And what we’ve got to do is do emotional wings work. 

(50:29) EFT, motion code, body code, editing team, some proven model 

(50:36) to help me release the fear that you’re broken.

(50:41) Release the fear that you’re being punched. 

(50:45) Release the fear that something happened that you didn’t know about. 

(50:49) It’s whatever it is, kind of release the fear.

(50:52) When clients do that, there’s an immediate uptick in their response. 

(50:58) And it’s central to recovery is to release those hidden fears 

(51:03) that are hanging out in your psyche. 

(51:06) You may not be aware of it, but I guarantee you, 

(51:09) it’s a central part of why you don’t feel one.

(51:14) All right. 

(51:15) Well, one of the things that I want you to talk about is, 

(51:19) you know, what supplements you should stop taking immediately. 

(51:23) Like one of the things that I think is that what happens is, 

(51:29) you know, you listen to all these different podcasts, 

(51:31) and I know I’m guilty of this as well.

(51:33) And someone’s like, well, you need this and you need this supplement, 

(51:36) or you look at this and then people just start taking so many supplements. 

(51:40) It’s overloading the liver and it’s not good. 

(51:43) So I want you to talk about some of the ones.

(51:46) Obviously, we talked about vitamin D, stop taking that immediately. 

(51:50) What else do they need to stop taking that’s making them worse? 

(51:54) Right. 

(51:57) Most entertaining consult I did was a client who came in 

(52:01) with two shopping bags full of supplements.

(52:07) She took them up and was just like, is everything? 

(52:11) She said, yes. 

(52:12) So we overwhelmed our system. 

(52:15) We’re all guilty of it.

(52:16) And the whole basis of the RSMP is to simplify, 

(52:24) get it down to the very essence of what’s needed. 

(52:27) Again, you know, the cornerstone of our approach is to create energy 

(52:33) and to clear exhaust. 

(52:36) It’s very what we’re trying to do.

(52:37) And we’re worshiping at the altar of making more cebulo plasma. 

(52:43) So what we are doing is, what do we need to do to ensure that? 

(52:47) And what do we need to stop doing to prevent it from being many? 

(52:52) You got to stop taking iron supplements. 

(52:55) You got to stop taking ascorbic acid.

(52:59) You got to stop taking. 

(53:00) Okay, wait, wait, wait. 

(53:01) Let’s talk about that one.

(53:03) Let’s talk about ascorbic acid. 

(53:05) I want you to explain to people what that is in a simple term 

(53:10) and why that is so important that they stop taking it. 

(53:14) Well, Mother Nature made vitamin C a long time ago.

(53:18) I don’t know when she did it, but it was really important. 

(53:21) But real vitamin C holds through vitamin C as an engine, 

(53:28) as four wheels, as a steering wheel, and there’s a cover. 

(53:33) Well, that’s pretty much what the vitamin C molecule is all about.

(53:38) The engine in vitamin C is an enzyme called pangosinase. 

(53:44) Pangosinase is probably one of the most important enzymes on planet Earth. 

(53:47) It’s prevalently found not just in citrus.

(53:52) It’s found in mushrooms. 

(53:54) Oh, mushrooms. 

(53:55) Yeah, mushroom tyrosinase is incredibly important.

(53:59) And guess where mushrooms hang out? 

(54:01) They hang out in the world. 

(54:02) Oh, so you mean maybe Mother Nature might have a solution to the world problem we’ve got? 

(54:07) Yeah, it’s called tyrosinase. 

(54:09) But tyrosinase is the enzyme, and it’s very, very important for our own physiology.

(54:17) Ascorbic acid is that cover of the car, because there’s no moving parts. 

(54:26) Ascorbic acid is just the cover of the car. 

(54:28) And it was first, I just learned this the other day, it was first synthesized 

(54:32) in Germany at Papa La Roche Lounge in 1934.

(54:40) And what’s interesting is that in 1937, they gave Albert Sven Gorgi a Nobel Prize for 

(54:49) discovering ascorbic acid. 

(54:51) He had nothing to do with what they did at La Roche. 

(54:53) It’s a great mystery about how did that Nobel Prize come about? 

(54:57) And everyone thinks that Sven Gorgi discovered ascorbic acid.

(55:02) He was actually studying something completely different. 

(55:05) In any event, ascorbic acid is very disruptive. 

(55:09) Because it blocks copper uptake.

(55:13) That’s not a good thing. 

(55:15) It increases iron absorption. 

(55:17) That’s not a good thing.

(55:19) You think you need more iron, but you don’t. 

(55:21) You really don’t. 

(55:23) But it blows up the seruloplasmin protein that is so important for our health and well-being.

(55:32) And people say, well, yeah, but they’re using high-dose IVs to cure cancer. 

(55:38) Well, what you need to understand is that ascorbic acid creates a lot of hydrogen peroxide. 

(55:45) And hydrogen peroxide overwhelms the cancer cell and kills it.

(55:50) I get that. 

(55:51) But cancer is like a teenager doing drugs. 

(55:57) It’s really, it’s a great, it’s actually a great analogy if you understand cancer.

(56:01) And so do we shoot teenagers doing drugs, or do we try to rehabilitate? 

(56:06) And so the whole basis of cancer treatment is based on killing the cell, not rehabilitating 

(56:13) the cell. 

(56:15) And ascorbic acid is a proven way to overwhelm the cell. 

(56:21) That’s not solving the problem.

(56:23) It’s causing the cancer. 

(56:25) In fact, it’s actually tied to iron. 

(56:28) I was just reading an article this morning that had reference after reference after reference 

(56:32) after reference identifying iron as the cause of the cancer, which I’ve known, but I’ve 

(56:39) got some amazing citations now that I can refer to.

(56:43) But people have been trained to believe that ascorbic acid, the very first synthetic vitamin 

(56:50) on planet Earth, is going to solve their needs when, in fact, it’s copper. 

(56:57) It’s the copper enzymes that have been pushed aside and then using a synthetic derivative 

(57:03) of full-tuned vitamin C that is not doing what you think it’s doing inside the body. 

(57:10) So hopefully that gives people more to play with.

(57:12) Yeah. 

(57:13) So I just want to kind of explain it. 

(57:16) I want to just explain what I heard you say.

(57:19) So guys, you know, first of all, taking vitamin C orally, there’s two different kinds of vitamin (57:25) C that you can get. (57:27) Like you can get whole food vitamin C and then you can get absorbic acid. (57:34) And then the ascorbic acid is also what they’re using in IVs.

(57:41) And so all these IV places now are really pushing like massive, massive, like high, (57:48) high doses of vitamin C. (57:51) They’re saying, you know, everyone knows, well, yes, whole food vitamin C is vital to (57:57) your body’s healing process and it’s a great immune booster and it’s antiviral and all (58:03) of this. (58:04) But what they don’t understand is that ascorbic acid is different than whole food vitamin (58:11) C. (58:13) And that’s where people get confused. (58:15) And when they’re going to get this IV vitamin therapy, they’re getting huge, huge doses (58:20) of it.

(58:21) And then that can actually cause you to feel worse. (58:27) Yeah. (58:27) People don’t know about cerebroplasm.

(58:33) They don’t know about whole food vitamin C. (58:37) They think that what the orange has is ascorbic acid. (58:41) Well, it does have ascorbic acid, but it has so much more. (58:45) Nobody talks about that.

(58:46) Practitioners are only aware of what they’ve been taught. (58:51) And so these centers where they’re pumping people full of ascorbic acid, there’s a price (58:57) to pay for that. (58:59) And it’s a tragic misunderstanding about the role of this vitamin.

(59:06) It’s a very important antioxidant. (59:09) But the enzymes that are the antioxidants, like garyloxidase enzyme, catalase enzyme, (59:20) glutathione peroxidase, these are very powerful enzymes. (59:25) They’re clearing oxidative stress, but they’re 1,000 times more powerful than a vitamin, (59:33) 1,000 times more powerful.

(59:36) And so it’s hard to imagine that, well, why didn’t they tell us that? (59:42) They have no incentive to tell you that. (59:45) And so it’s just, it’s keeping going on forever. (59:49) And it’s just, look, people are, they misunderstand.

(59:53) We’ve been misled and misfed for over a century. (59:59) So let’s go back to that list. (1:00:01) So we know that ascorbic acid is one of them.

(1:00:05) Vitamin D is another one that we should take out of our diet, not put in. (1:00:09) What else? (1:00:11) Calcium. (1:00:12) You don’t need supplemental calcium.

(1:00:15) Again, a lot of people are like, what? (1:00:17) But I’ve got osteopenia, I’ve got osteoporosis. (1:00:21) It’s like the loss of calcium from your bone matrix (1:00:27) is not what you have come to understand. (1:00:30) There’s two critical enzymes.

(1:00:33) There’s an enzyme called acid phosphatase. (1:00:38) And what it does is it scrapes away inside the bone marrow, (1:00:43) or the bone matrix, excuse me, the bone matrix, and calcium gets released. (1:00:47) Well, that enzyme is activated by iron.

(1:00:52) The enzyme to rebuild the bone matrix is called alkaline phosphatase. (1:00:59) And it’s activated by magnesium. (1:01:03) Very different function to take the calcium out and to reload it.

(1:01:08) But in addition to that alkaline phosphatase, (1:01:11) there’s two more enzymes that are copper dependent that no one knows about. (1:01:17) So in order to build bone, you’ve got to have collagen, which is strong, (1:01:21) and you have to have elastin, which is flexible. (1:01:24) The most important part of it is putting those two proteins together.

(1:01:31) There’s only one enzyme that does it. (1:01:34) It’s called lysyl oxidase. (1:01:37) Now, to put this into context, 45% of our connective tissue, (1:01:43) including the bone, 45% of our connective tissue, (1:01:49) excuse me, 45% of the cells in our body is connective tissue.

(1:01:55) And this lysyl oxidase is instrumental in knitting together these proteins (1:02:00) so they have strength and flexibility. (1:02:03) So it gives them entanglement. (1:02:05) And then there’s another enzyme.

(1:02:08) People have never heard of it. (1:02:09) It’s called ascorbate. (1:02:11) It sounds like ascorbate, right? (1:02:13) Ascorbate oxidase.

(1:02:15) And it plays a very powerful role (1:02:17) it’s a copper dependent enzyme that binds up fluoride (1:02:21) to prevent fluoride from causing loss of the minerals in the bone matrix. (1:02:27) And so fluoride is not our friend. (1:02:32) Ascorbate oxidase is our friend.

(1:02:35) Alkaline phosphatase is our friend. (1:02:38) And taking calcium supplements, (1:02:42) taking vitamin D supplements, and taking Fosilax (1:02:46) are not going to restore integrity to the bone matrix. (1:02:51) So very, a lot of confusion around that.

(1:02:55) And what’s really eating away at the bone matrix (1:02:58) is iron activating that acid phosphatase. (1:03:02) So we’ve got to stop worrying about the calcium (1:03:06) and focus on the nutrients that are going to restore (1:03:10) energy production, restore balance, (1:03:13) and restore the bone rebuilding that’s so important in the environment. (1:03:17) I don’t know about you guys, but I am stressed.

(1:03:20) And if you’re feeling overwhelmed this holiday season, (1:03:24) then I get it. (1:03:25) With all the family get togethers, (1:03:27) it is just a relentless source of stress. (1:03:31) But anyway, there is something that I’ve got called Stress Guardian.

(1:03:35) And it’s actually made by BiOptimizers, (1:03:37) the people who make the magnesium breakthrough, (1:03:40) which I love, love, love. (1:03:42) But anyway, they are literally made this new product. (1:03:46) It has 14 adaptogenic herbs, and it just regulates your stress.

(1:03:51) I just actually took some right this second. (1:03:54) And it’s awesome. (1:03:55) If you go to stressguardian.com slash wastaway (1:03:58) and put in wastaway for 10% off your first order, (1:04:02) it’s stressguardian.com slash wastaway.

(1:04:06) Go there now. (1:04:10) So, so good. (1:04:12) So if you would say if you had to kind of talk to somebody about their diet, (1:04:19) and you said, all right, what is my favorite diet? (1:04:23) And there’s so many different things out there.

(1:04:25) What would you say is kind of the gist? (1:04:28) Like if you were going to give someone like, is it, you know, the paleo diet? (1:04:32) What kind of diet do you think people live with the best results overall? (1:04:40) Yeah. (1:04:40) So first of all, humans are the only animals that don’t ask, (1:04:45) all the other animals know exactly. (1:04:55) So what I found to be consistently the best, (1:04:58) all-around, most stable diet is what’s laid out by the Western Enterprise School.

(1:05:06) Sally Fallon has done a masterful job of educating people about these ancestral truths. (1:05:13) The book, Wherishing Traditions. (1:05:17) It’s cornerstone, I think, in L.C. meeting.

(1:05:21) You can get it on Amazon for like a dollar. (1:05:24) It’s not an expensive book, but it’s just chock full of information. (1:05:28) And what was the name of that book again? (1:05:31) Nourishing Traditions.

(1:05:34) It’s all based on the ancestral diet. (1:05:36) It’s based on the research of Weston A. Price. (1:05:40) He was a famous dentist out of Cleveland, Ohio at the turn of the last century.

(1:05:47) And a very tragic accident took place. (1:05:53) It was before the 1920s. (1:05:58) He did a root canal when he was, I think his son was like nine or 10 years old.

(1:06:05) And his son died following that root canal. (1:06:09) And it was obviously a shock to Dr. Price and his wife. (1:06:15) But they set out to do a decade of research around the world (1:06:19) to identify Indigenous communities to find perfect tea (1:06:27) and then find out what they need to produce perfect tea.

(1:06:32) And Dr. Price was a meticulous scientist. (1:06:35) And it’s documented in his book. (1:06:39) It’s just legendary that people need to know about the ancestral diet.

(1:06:47) And it’s just its fundamentals. (1:06:50) But it’s all based on making sure that there’s minerals in the soil, (1:06:54) tremendous importance of retinol in that diet. (1:06:59) And what Dr. Price is going in proposition was, he had two expectations.

(1:07:05) He said the people with the healthiest teeth would be vegetarian (1:07:08) and they would be eating no low-fat diet. (1:07:11) And he was wrong on both counts. (1:07:14) He was very quick to point that out.

(1:07:16) And what he discovered, he said, upwards of 65% of the calories (1:07:20) that people were eating in these 14 different communities was fat. (1:07:26) And every community, all of these communities, (1:07:29) have animal protein from ants in the Si Tribes (1:07:34) to whale blood in Inuit Indians up in Alaska. (1:07:40) And people don’t realize how critical these nutrient-dense foods are (1:07:46) to our health and well-being.

(1:07:48) But it’s all laid out in his book. (1:07:51) And also the Weston A. Price chapters are all over the world. (1:07:55) And I think people can lock in on the genius of that approach with that community.

(1:08:04) So I want to just repeat a couple things that I feel like you’ve taught me (1:08:09) and the things that you have to stop taking right away. (1:08:14) Stop taking iron supplements, stop taking vitamin D3, (1:08:18) stop taking calcium, stop taking zinc, (1:08:22) stop taking any of the drugstore once a day, you know, multivitamins. (1:08:28) And then we’ve talked about stop taking the ascorbic acid.

(1:08:32) Obviously getting rid of high fructose corn syrup and all of that. (1:08:37) Using industrialized omega-6 oils like, you know, (1:08:42) soybean oil, canola oil, cottonseed oil. (1:08:45) And then get rid of anything that has fluoride, (1:08:48) like stop using fluoride toothpaste, stop having tap water that has fluoride.

(1:08:53) So those are kind of the ones that stand out to me that are the biggest ones. (1:08:58) Any that I missed that you’ve kind of gone over? (1:09:01) No, what we found is that people who do that, (1:09:07) they start to feel better just by doing that. (1:09:09) Before they even get to this, you know, starts (1:09:12) and begin to start incorporating the elements of phase one or phase two or phase three, (1:09:19) I think you still need to follow through.

(1:09:21) But it’s very, very important for people to complete those stops (1:09:25) and make sure they’re not aggravating their metabolism with those supplements. (1:09:31) The people I think are the cornerstone of good nutrition, they’re not. (1:09:36) And again, the reference point for saying don’t do these (1:09:41) is because they were disrupting the synthesis of celluloplasm.

(1:09:50) All right, one last thing that I want to go over with you (1:09:56) is as far as anything else that we need to do as far as like little hacks, (1:10:05) like that you would say, OK, one of the things that I make sure I do (1:10:09) is get 10 minutes of sun in my eyes every day or just little things like that. (1:10:15) If you said like those little kind of hacks that you do in a day, (1:10:19) what would that look like for you? (1:10:22) I don’t know. (1:10:25) In addition to getting more sunlight, that’s always a good thing.

(1:10:29) Lose it. (1:10:31) You don’t get enough movement in there again. (1:10:34) Express more gratitude for what you have.

(1:10:38) I have a question that I encourage my clients to ask themselves. (1:10:43) How much better can we get? (1:10:46) It flips the whole narrative because when we don’t feel right, (1:10:50) when things don’t seem to be going our way, (1:10:52) you go into the woe is me paradigm. (1:10:55) But when you flip it and say, oh, well, how much better can it get? (1:10:59) That’s a very powerful way to reset your thought process.

(1:11:04) Then the other is I encourage people to realize that whatever is confronting you, (1:11:10) whatever is challenging you, it’s not being done to you. (1:11:15) It’s being done for you. (1:11:17) It’s a stepping stone for your growth and development.

(1:11:21) And I know how disorienting it can be to not feel well, (1:11:26) to be fatigued, what have you. (1:11:29) And it’s no fun. (1:11:30) And I grew up in a very sickly family.

(1:11:33) I’ve experienced it. (1:11:35) By the grace of God, I live a pretty healthy life. (1:11:39) Don’t take any medications at all.

(1:11:41) I’m 71. (1:11:43) I take supplements, but I don’t take meds. (1:11:47) All the people that I know my age, most of them are taking meds.

(1:11:50) And so, you know, got to avoid that. (1:11:54) But the key is recognizing that these setbacks that you’re experiencing (1:12:02) are there to teach you lessons and embrace that. (1:12:07) I think the one last thing that I encourage clients to do regularly, (1:12:15) do an internet diet.

(1:12:18) Stay off the internet for like 30 days. (1:12:21) Just get it out of your life. (1:12:23) You can’t imagine what that will do.

(1:12:27) And so, it’s hard even fathom doing it for a day. (1:12:34) Oh, I got to do this. (1:12:37) And again, most of the information that you’re looking at on, (1:12:43) first of all, the information you access on Google search (1:12:46) is 3% of what’s on the internet.

(1:12:49) Then 7%, you don’t even have access to. (1:12:50) So, it’s like we gave you a very refined amount of information. (1:12:56) But it’s just the information you’re accessing, (1:13:01) typically it’s not being done by people who understand biological copy.

(1:13:05) So, you’re getting a skewed, biased perspective. (1:13:10) And that’s not healthy. (1:13:12) And so, what we’ve tried to do with the glucose protocol (1:13:16) is give people a much broader understanding of how the body works.

(1:13:20) So, I would just encourage people to think about these concepts (1:13:25) of simplifying your life, grateful for what you have, (1:13:29) ask how much better can you get, (1:13:31) kind of step away from the internet for a little while. (1:13:35) And wherever possible, try to get more confident in your diet. (1:13:38) It’s a really important component that is easily overlooked.

(1:13:45) And I think the challenge we face now is that (1:13:49) it’s not easily found in the food system. (1:13:53) And I think what we’re really faced with is having to get a supplement form. (1:13:58) And the reason why I say that is I’m reading a study from 2021 from France.

(1:14:09) What people need to know is that in 1987, (1:14:14) when glyphosate was being introduced as a farming (1:14:20) style cornerstone, you got to use glyphosate, (1:14:23) you got to use glyphosate to get rid of your reins. (1:14:26) Well, people in Europe said no, (1:14:29) but people in France said hell no, we’re never going to use glyphosate. (1:14:33) So, they’ve been opposed to glyphosate from the beginning.

(1:14:38) Well, the study was good data was really collected in like 2017, (1:14:45) 30 years late, and it took a while to massage the data. (1:14:48) But the bottom line is that this study is highlighting the fact (1:14:54) that 99% of French citizens, 99% are pinning glyphosate in their nose. (1:15:05) Now, is that a problem? (1:15:09) It’s a problem because glyphosate chelates copper.

(1:15:13) It chelates many minerals, but it chelates copper (1:15:18) a billion times faster than it chelates magnesium or calcium. (1:15:24) It chelates copper a thousand times faster than it chelates zinc or iron. (1:15:31) Now, we can’t relate to a billion times faster.

(1:15:36) We can’t even relate to a thousand times faster. (1:15:39) Think about it, a thousand times faster. (1:15:42) And so, glyphosate was pulling these minerals out of our soil (1:15:50) but the crosshairs are clearly on copper.

(1:15:54) Why? (1:15:56) Because it’s what gives us solidity. (1:15:59) It’s our connection back to source. (1:16:01) Copper has a magnetic attraction to sunlight.

(1:16:05) So, when Chantal say, spend more time in the sun, (1:16:09) you’re doing your copper receiving when you do that. (1:16:13) And so, these are things, these are aspects of copper that people don’t know about. (1:16:18) And it is so essential to life on a planet with oxygen.

(1:16:24) And yet, it’s not taught in doctor’s sleep. (1:16:27) So, it’s important to realize that there is a mechanism in our body. (1:16:33) It needs to be provided with our diet.

(1:16:36) But now, I think it needs to be supplemented, (1:16:39) especially to support our diet, (1:16:41) to enable us to keep the iron and the oxygen up there, (1:16:47) but to make more energy and clear the exhaust. (1:16:50) That’s really what it comes down to. (1:16:52) And it’s the word that I love to use that Jogi Berra coined many, many words about.

(1:17:00) He was famous for his words, but one of his words was simplexity. (1:17:06) That’s the simplexity of the world cause protocol, (1:17:09) is to optimize your copper (1:17:13) so that you can really regulate and manage your environment. (1:17:17) So, you get optimal energy.

(1:17:19) That’s really what it’s about. (1:17:21) And as your listener pointing out, (1:17:24) yes, I can get lost in the verbiage and the pamphlets. (1:17:29) But it’s not to confuse people.

(1:17:32) It’s to let people know that there are layers and layers of layers of information. (1:17:39) And I do my level best. (1:17:41) But it really helps me to have conversations with Chantelle and people like Chantelle, (1:17:47) because even with my best of intentions, (1:17:50) I can blather on about this pathway or that pathway.

(1:17:54) And it’s not trying to overwhelm you. (1:17:57) It’s just trying to let you know that at the end of the day, (1:18:00) there’s just a few minerals we need to worry about. (1:18:03) And we need to really focus on that protein.

(1:18:06) And we need to simplify our diet. (1:18:09) I’ll listen to Nate Barnes and manage our stress (1:18:14) and realize that this is not an easy planet to live on. (1:18:18) But we’re here to learn our lessons and help each other.

(1:18:21) And that’s really what this podcast is all about. (1:18:23) Trying to help each other. (1:18:24) Trying to lower the stress and facilitate information (1:18:29) that’s going to give us a better day.

(1:18:33) So, that’s why- (1:18:34) Let me ask you one last question. (1:18:35) I want you to explain what forms of copper are they in supplements? (1:18:41) And which one has the most, the higher bioavailability (1:18:46) and the better absorption in your body? (1:18:53) Ideally, the best copper comes from food. (1:18:58) Hands down.

(1:19:00) You know, I grew up in Baltimore. (1:19:06) The clove-led dairy was the dairy that made the sourdough. (1:19:11) And the jingle, I can still remember the jingle.

(1:19:13) I remember learning when I was like three or four years old. (1:19:16) Milk and butter and eggs and cheese. (1:19:18) Fresh from the farm to you.

(1:19:20) If you don’t want to go in the canal, call clove-led now. (1:19:23) Northfield line, two, two, two, two. (1:19:25) I mean, oh my God, 65 years later, I’m still thinking about that jingle.

(1:19:29) But what I found, Chantal, was in 1925, (1:19:33) a very important researcher, James McCord, (1:19:38) discovered that the foods that copper was most attracted to (1:19:47) in that regular diet were milk, butter, eggs, and cottage cheese. (1:19:56) But that was back in the 1920s. (1:20:00) That was a century ago.

(1:20:02) And then they would have those every day. (1:20:05) Think about the average. (1:20:07) Okay, but I have to tell you something.

(1:20:09) I have to tell you something. (1:20:10) This is a thing. (1:20:12) So like, you know how most people like crave, (1:20:16) they like crave like brownies or whatever? (1:20:19) The one thing I always tell my husband is what I crave all the time (1:20:23) is like a slice of Ezekiel’s bread with cottage cheese.

(1:20:29) My body is like, if you said to me, what are you craving right now? (1:20:33) Almost every day is like a slice of Ezekiel toast with cottage cheese. (1:20:39) And so I must be really low on copper and I need that. (1:20:44) But keep going.

(1:20:45) You have an instinctual response to those foods (1:20:50) because historically they would have had the nutrients you were looking for. (1:20:55) Back in the 1930s, our ancestors got four to six milligrams of copper a day. (1:21:02) By the 60s, it had dropped to two to five milligrams a day.

(1:21:06) Now the RDN, the modern RDN is nine tenths of one milligram of copper. (1:21:14) It is absolutely an insult to our intelligence and our integrity as a human being. (1:21:21) We need way more copper.

(1:21:23) The food does not have it. (1:21:26) But the milk, butter, eggs and cheese of yesterday and the beef liver that our ancestors ate. (1:21:32) I remember being raised on beef liver.

(1:21:35) We used to have it at least once a week. (1:21:37) And I was like, oh, my God, I can’t believe I have a liver again. (1:21:39) But my mom grew up in the country and she knew how important it was.

(1:21:43) Well, people love their barbecue now, right? (1:21:47) Love my barbecue. (1:21:49) Do you know what barbecue stands for? (1:21:50) It’s a French term. (1:21:52) Nose, barb, cue, tail.

(1:21:55) Nose to tail eating. (1:21:57) You’re eating all of the nutrients of the animal. (1:22:00) You’re eating the whole animal.

(1:22:02) That’s what barbecue really means. (1:22:04) And that’s all lost to barbecue sauce now. (1:22:07) I want my ribs with a really good sauce.

(1:22:09) People don’t know what they’re eating. (1:22:11) And so to answer your question, what’s the best source? (1:22:15) Ideally, it is food, which I don’t think it’s available. (1:22:19) I, what I’m reading about French citizens (1:22:23) peeing glyphosate in the urine.

(1:22:26) I’m like, I’m terrified. (1:22:28) And so I think we’re down to supplemental forms. (1:22:31) And to what I’ve read in the research is that copper bisglycinate is one of the most (1:22:38) bioavailable forms because of the unique structure of the copper and the glycine, the two glycine.

(1:22:45) I, I’m not a big fan of Jason’s approach with copper sulfate. (1:22:50) I, if I was a microbe, I’d probably be excited. (1:22:54) We’re not microbes.

(1:22:55) I don’t, I, and he has this whole perspective that I really admire him for his program (1:23:01) with what he does, but he doesn’t do any blood testing. (1:23:06) He doesn’t do any assessment of what’s happening. (1:23:09) It’s just based as a flood your body with these nutrients and go about your business.

(1:23:14) Well, I don’t think that that’s telling the same story. (1:23:19) And I think people need to have feedback and say, am I getting the benefit of what I’m doing? (1:23:25) Oh, there’s copper chlorides. (1:23:27) I don’t think that’s a particularly good one.

(1:23:29) The one that’s really the raging popular form is our GHK copper. (1:23:35) That’s a copper peptide that (1:23:39) Lauren Pickard discovered in the early 1970s. (1:23:42) He just passed away a couple of months ago.

(1:23:44) I don’t know if people know about him, but this legendary figure who focused on copper (1:23:50) and the importance of copper for skin health. (1:23:53) And he and his daughters created a company called Reverse Skin Aging. (1:23:59) If you don’t know about that company, then you better, when you’re finished with your (1:24:04) internet diet, get over to reverse skin aging.com and you’ll be mesmerized by what they’ve got.

(1:24:10) But I’m trying to think of other forms of copper. (1:24:16) So hold on. (1:24:18) Let me repeat what I heard you say.

(1:24:21) That copper bisglycinate or glycinate, it helps you to absorb directly into the bloodstream a (1:24:40) bit better. (1:24:41) And that type of copper has much higher bioavailability than copper citrate. (1:24:46) Is that correct? (1:24:48) Yes.

(1:24:48) That’s what the research tells us. (1:24:52) Okay. (1:24:52) And then how much are you recommending? (1:24:54) Because like you said, different people recommend different amounts.

(1:24:58) If someone was starting, I want you to a brand new person, because I will tell you this, (1:25:03) please, please listen to me. (1:25:04) I gave a friend of mine came over and I was telling her about your podcast. (1:25:08) I was like, you got to listen to it.

(1:25:10) Blah, blah, blah. (1:25:10) And I had some copper. (1:25:11) She came over for a walk first thing in the morning and she was like, oh yeah.

(1:25:16) She’s like, well, great. (1:25:18) I want to try it. (1:25:19) So I gave her some copper.

(1:25:20) I think I gave her three copper pills. (1:25:23) I think they were each like maybe three milligrams each. (1:25:27) And within literally, I’m not joking, like probably three minutes, she looks at me and (1:25:33) she’s like, oh my gosh, those pills made me so nauseous.

(1:25:37) She’s like, can I get like some crackers or like a piece of toast? (1:25:41) And then I gave her, you know, some, a piece of toast quickly and like some crackers right (1:25:45) away. (1:25:45) And she was fine in a couple minutes. (1:25:47) But she took that on an empty stomach and I had no idea.

(1:25:51) But I mean, it was almost instantly where she took those vitamins on an empty stomach (1:25:57) and she immediately was like, oh my gosh, I feel so nauseous. (1:26:01) So talk about kind of weaning yourself up on where you should start and how you should (1:26:07) go up. (1:26:08) Yeah.

(1:26:09) So the recuperate that we developed back in 2022 has desiccated beef liver, spirulina, (1:26:16) and turmeric in it. (1:26:17) So it’s got food already in the capsule. (1:26:20) It’s a two milligram dose of copper.

(1:26:23) And what we tell folks is start with one, always with a meal. (1:26:32) Copper, what your friend experienced was, it wasn’t just that it was copper without (1:26:37) food. (1:26:38) Copper has a very powerful property of mobilizing iron.

(1:26:45) We have iron in our stomach. (1:26:47) We have diurnal intestines. (1:26:49) We have iron in our brain, all of our body.

(1:26:51) Well, we have a bolus of iron. (1:26:53) When she gave her nine milligrams of iron, that was a lot of iron to suddenly throw into (1:26:59) her system. (1:27:00) That mobilized things that hadn’t been mobilized for a while.

(1:27:04) But we start with one capsule of two milligrams with a meal. (1:27:09) Work your way up to two capsules so you can get four milligrams of copper. (1:27:14) And I tell clients, you may try a third and see what you experience.

(1:27:19) But what I’ll tell you, Chantal, is I’ve got many clients, especially people with type (1:27:24) two diabetes. (1:27:26) They find that they feel really good when they have five or six a day, five or six capsules (1:27:32) a day. (1:27:33) So they’re getting 10 to 12 milligrams of copper.

(1:27:37) And what they tell me is that they feel like they have more control over their blood sugar (1:27:41) than they’ve ever had in their adult life. (1:27:44) So we don’t realize how dependent we are on this minimum. (1:27:52) And it needs to be in a bioavailable form.

(1:27:55) We encourage people. (1:27:56) We really strongly recommend do it with a meal. (1:28:00) You’re going to have far better results.

(1:28:02) You’re not going to have that upset stomach. (1:28:04) And the most important thing is start low, go slow, and see how you respond. (1:28:11) And you’re both the lab rat and the scientist.

(1:28:16) And start to experiment and see what you experience. (1:28:20) And just be curious. (1:28:23) All right.

(1:28:23) Seeing you, right? (1:28:25) But be more curious than concerned and see how your body responds to these very subtle (1:28:30) changes in diet, subtle changes in focusing on what to take, what not to take, and see (1:28:36) how you respond to the macubrate in the course of your daily routine. (1:28:41) I love it. (1:28:43) Well, Morley, you know, I’m just so grateful for you.

(1:28:45) You’re doing so much to help people and just changing people’s lives. (1:28:50) You have been such a blessing in my life. (1:28:53) I’m so grateful for you.

(1:28:54) I can’t even describe how grateful I am for you. (1:28:59) It almost makes me just tear up. (1:29:00) I really just like deep down from the bottom of my heart.

(1:29:04) I just want to say thank you. (1:29:06) I’m very grateful for all that you do. (1:29:08) So thank you.

(1:29:09) Thank you. (1:29:11) And I want you to tell listeners where they can find you and where they can follow you. (1:29:16) Yeah.

(1:29:16) They’re interested in my book. (1:29:18) It’s called Curing Your Fatigue. (1:29:20) Been on my favorite online purveyor.

(1:29:22) It’s not going to be in the bookstores. (1:29:28) Website, rcp123.org. (1:29:30) It’s a ton of information. (1:29:32) There’s over 200 podcasts there.

(1:29:36) But there’s also, you can access what’s called the Root Cause Biblical Healing Book. (1:29:41) It’s recently been updated about 80 pages of just great information about what’s the basis, (1:29:48) what’s the logic, what are the steps to take. (1:29:51) There’s social media, Facebook, Instagram.

(1:29:56) I think those are the two principal platforms. (1:29:59) And then people invariably have questions for me. (1:30:01) I look forward to that.

(1:30:03) My email is my first and last name. (1:30:06) lindyrobbins at gmail.com. (1:30:09) And for those brazen few who always want to have a conversation, let me call at 847-922-8061. (1:30:19) And should I tell the best part of my day is when people call me and they answer the phone.

(1:30:24) And then they go hypoxic. (1:30:27) Who were they expecting you to answer? (1:30:29) I said, I hope it’s you. (1:30:31) So I’ll be happy to get those calls.

(1:30:33) Because sometimes people just need some immediate feedback. (1:30:37) And I always look forward to the exchange. (1:30:40) Guys, I just want to interrupt for just a second.

(1:30:42) And I want you to hear Paul Saladino talk about why liver is so important. (1:30:48) And if you don’t like liver, we have another option for you. (1:30:53) Your ancestors were eating liver.

(1:30:54) And the reason that this sort of wisdom has been passed down is because liver is very nutritious. (1:30:58) It’s basically nature’s multivitamin. (1:31:00) If you look at the nutrients in meat, they’re great.

(1:31:02) You’ve got zinc, you’ve got B6, you’ve got B12, you’ve got some K2. (1:31:05) But if you look at liver, it really complements what’s in muscle meat. (1:31:08) And there are many unique nutrients found in organs, specifically liver, (1:31:12) as a powerhouse of these that are difficult to obtain outside of liver.

(1:31:15) Like meat and organs are like peanut butter and jelly. (1:31:17) They just go together. (1:31:18) They’re supposed to be eaten together.

(1:31:20) The easiest way to eat liver is just to do it raw. (1:31:22) If you don’t want to eat liver raw, you can cook it. (1:31:23) But the reason that I like to do it raw is because there are unique nutrients in liver (1:31:27) that are probably somewhat degraded when you cook the liver.

(1:31:29) This really is like the most nutrient-rich supplements that you can find. (1:31:35) And they are amazing. (1:31:36) I have tried them.

(1:31:37) I absolutely love them. (1:31:38) So just go to heartandsoil.co. (1:31:41) Use the coupon code ChantalRae and save yourself some money. (1:31:50) I forgot to ask one quick question that was a Lister question.

(1:31:54) And this one is from Laura. (1:31:56) And she is talking about… (1:31:58) I won’t read the whole question. (1:31:59) I’ll just sum it up.

(1:32:00) But she’s talking about how she’s currently on Synthroid. (1:32:03) And she’s heard some different people talking about (1:32:09) Armour Thyroid or getting on a naturally desiccated thyroid (1:32:13) and kind of the pros and cons of that. (1:32:15) And then she goes into talking about why are so many people now on thyroid medicine? (1:32:22) And does that have anything for nutrient deficiencies (1:32:26) of why everyone has got thyroid issues right now? (1:32:30) So just touch on that real quick.

(1:32:34) I know. (1:32:35) I did forgot that question. (1:32:36) I just looked down and realized I forgot to ask you that one.

(1:32:40) Well, no, I’m happy to respond. (1:32:43) I’m trying to think of it. (1:32:44) There’s a health coach in Sweden.

(1:32:48) I’m embarrassed I can’t think of a name right now. (1:32:50) I will text it to you. (1:32:52) I did a four-part series with her about thyroid.

(1:32:55) And thyroid in particular. (1:32:59) And I’m so embarrassed. (1:33:02) I can’t think of a name.

(1:33:03) She’s going to slap my wrist. (1:33:06) But an important realization on the RSMP, (1:33:16) when we started to promote the stops and the starts, (1:33:20) I don’t know what it really began or who the first person was. (1:33:26) But people discovered they didn’t need as much thyroid meds.

(1:33:32) Then they discovered they didn’t need thyroid meds at all. (1:33:35) We never, ever intended to start this program and this protocol (1:33:40) with the intention of changing people’s routine. (1:33:44) It was just we wanted people to feel better.

(1:33:46) And what happened was they felt better. (1:33:48) They didn’t need chemical support. (1:33:53) People may have heard the name Broda Barnes, (1:33:55) who’s a famous world-renowned physician (1:33:59) who had thousands of clients, (1:34:02) but only four that actually died.

(1:34:04) But I think three of the four died when he was on vacation. (1:34:08) So it’s just the guy had an impeccable track record (1:34:11) in years on his thyroid. (1:34:13) Our thyroid is different today than it was back in the 60s (1:34:17) when he was at his peak.

(1:34:19) But more recently, Jens Meitegg, (1:34:24) who’s a world-renowned endocrinologist in Germany. (1:34:29) So in Europe, they have endocrinologists. (1:34:32) Here in North America, we have endocrinologists.

(1:34:36) They’re very big. (1:34:37) And they’re training us to them. (1:34:39) And what Dr. Meitegg was talking about in 2012 (1:34:41) was a relationship between the thyroid and comfort.

(1:34:45) And what he found was a relationship (1:34:47) between T4 and seroconfort and T3 (1:34:52) and the ferrooxidase enzyme function of serine myoplasma. (1:34:58) That’s a lot of big words, I realize. (1:35:00) But what he was measuring was this relationship.

(1:35:04) And the part that people need to understand, (1:35:08) which will disrupt your understanding, (1:35:12) is that the way you’ve been taught (1:35:16) is that this bowtie laying runs your body. (1:35:23) That’s not true. (1:35:24) That’s absolutely not true.

(1:35:26) It responds to the body. (1:35:27) But it’s just not running the body. (1:35:30) And you’ve been taught that the T3 hormone, (1:35:33) the active form, is what sparks the mitochondrion.

(1:35:36) Gets them going, right? (1:35:37) It wakes them up. (1:35:38) Gets them running. (1:35:40) That’s not true.

(1:35:42) What T3 is, it’s an oxygen sensor. (1:35:50) And what it’s sniffing is, (1:35:53) is oxygen being properly burned in the mitochondrion? (1:35:57) Is the oxygen internal into water? (1:36:01) How much oxygen stress is taking place in the mitochondrion? (1:36:07) And where is it hanging out? (1:36:08) At complex four, which is where the most important function (1:36:12) of the mitochondrion is. (1:36:14) And what are all hormones? (1:36:18) They are signaling peptides.

(1:36:21) Every last one of them. (1:36:23) And signaling peptide, like T3, (1:36:27) when it senses that the oxygen is not burning right, (1:36:30) it sends a signal back to the liver to do what? (1:36:35) We need more of that celluloplasmin (1:36:38) to supply more copper to the mitochondrion (1:36:43) so we can burn the oxygen more cleanly to make more energy. (1:36:49) All of the mechanics, the dynamics of the thyroid (1:36:54) have been turned upside down and backwards.

(1:36:58) The thyroid does not run a body. (1:37:03) What the thyroid really relies on is retinol. (1:37:06) Retinol, which is vitamin A. (1:37:12) Vitamin A. (1:37:13) And it gets broken down, needs to be broken down, (1:37:16) like we conjugate verbs in a foreign language.

(1:37:19) We need to break down, we need to conjugate the retinol (1:37:22) into its component parts. (1:37:25) One of the most important component parts of retinol (1:37:28) are nuclear receptors called, one of them is called RXR. (1:37:35) Retinoid X Receptor.

(1:37:38) And what does RXR do? (1:37:40) It hooks up with the thyroid receptor, TR, (1:37:44) and those two working together, they must be together (1:37:48) in order to synthesize new T4 in the nucleus. (1:37:53) That’s how it works, folks. (1:37:55) And if there’s no retinol, there’s no T4.

(1:38:00) Are you suggesting that people need to start taking vitamin A? (1:38:06) Absolutely. (1:38:07) How much vitamin A would you suggest that they need to take? (1:38:11) Well, anyone who’s hypothyroid is vitamin A deficient. (1:38:15) What runs the American diet? (1:38:17) A low-fat diet.

(1:38:19) I sit in Starbucks and I listen to people order (1:38:21) skinny lattes all day long. (1:38:23) They’re terrified of high fat. (1:38:26) Terrified.

(1:38:27) So how much vitamin A would you suggest? (1:38:30) 2,000. (1:38:33) This has been awesome, Morley. (1:38:36) We’ve gone way over on time.

(1:38:38) I appreciate it so much. (1:38:39) We’re going to have to have you back. (1:38:40) I know you’ve been on so many times, (1:38:42) but you are our number one favorite guest.

(1:38:45) We love you so much. (1:38:46) Tell everyone, again, if you want to go to, (1:38:49) I’ll just repeat it. (1:38:51) It’s either therootcauseprotocol.com, rcp123.org. (1:38:57) Go there and we will have you back (1:38:59) if you’re willing for another episode.

(1:39:02) Absolutely. (1:39:03) As you can well understand, I love questions. (1:39:07) Yes.

(1:39:08) Because it gives me a chance to really lay it out. (1:39:11) And again, it’s been a while since you’ve done a blood test. (1:39:14) I bet we can even do that.

(1:39:16) We could do another. (1:39:16) I’m going to do another one and we’re going to look at it. (1:39:19) That will be super fun.

(1:39:20) And if you have a question that you want answered, (1:39:23) go to questions at chantalrayway.com. (1:39:26) We appreciate you being on today (1:39:28) and we’ll see you next time. (1:39:30) Bye, everyone. (1:39:32) Hey, guys.

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